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Well Well Well.... sometimes I read things, and think not a chance, then I need to remember this is the BCF!

http://wideopenmag.co.uk/news/21832/british-cycling-bans-helmet-cameras

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Re: British Cycling Strike Again - Helmet Cam Ban for Racing
« Reply #1 on: Mar 25, 2014, 16:44 »
They tried to ban cameras altogether the other year, under the same rule, but allowed them in practise as thats not racing. They appear to now be changing that interpretation of racing to include practise. 
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Re: British Cycling Strike Again - Helmet Cam Ban for Racing
« Reply #2 on: Mar 25, 2014, 18:59 »
Now im not exactly clued up on racing so forgive the stupid question..... but why do we need British Cycling?

It does rather seem that no one agrees with half of their rules and in fact there seems to be a general contempt for the organisation online so why are they so powerful? Is it solely due to the points system to be able to race world cups and champs level?
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Re: British Cycling Strike Again - Helmet Cam Ban for Racing
« Reply #3 on: Mar 25, 2014, 19:15 »
It's not a safety matter...that's TOSH!........It's all about media rights and money!........Unbelievable!!! >:(

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Re: British Cycling Strike Again - Helmet Cam Ban for Racing
« Reply #4 on: Mar 25, 2014, 19:34 »

BC are w**k FACT
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Re: British Cycling Strike Again - Helmet Cam Ban for Racing
« Reply #5 on: Mar 25, 2014, 20:01 »
Now im not exactly clued up on racing so forgive the stupid question..... but why do we need British Cycling?

Points for WC's etc.  Insurance.  Ease.  The way it's always been.

You could always have a series without them though, they are not the law of riding bikes :)

Like Al said, it's not a new rule but they are now enforcing it...
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Re: British Cycling Strike Again - Helmet Cam Ban for Racing
« Reply #6 on: Mar 26, 2014, 00:43 »
It's all about BC trying to reduce their exposure to being sued. It's not a DH thing, it's all disciplines. I'd suggest reducing exposure to being sued by making events better and safer, but what do I know. I can't see this going un challenged and I can see it driving a big change in the way BC do things.  But we'll see. 

Why do we need BC? Primarily for insurance. An organiser could go it alone but as soon as they get one claim against them it would become unaffordable to continue. 
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Re: British Cycling Strike Again - Helmet Cam Ban for Racing
« Reply #7 on: Mar 26, 2014, 07:54 »
Now I'm not exactly clued up on racing so forgive the stupid question..... but why do we need British Cycling?

We don't!!
BC won't insure the race I am organising In May because is after 9o'clock at night. So I Went out and got insurance and sign on else where.

As a result:
We will save around £250
I don't have to deal with BC Ballsh1t.
All money in our paypal account as soon as people sign on.
People can use as many cameras as they want. (Is great free publicity for future races)

If we can save around £250 per race. There is no reason for us to use them again.
Our events are grass roots level I can see why national/larger races will stick to BC.

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Re: British Cycling Strike Again - Helmet Cam Ban for Racing
« Reply #8 on: Mar 26, 2014, 09:31 »
Scott - the moment you make a claim, or have a claim made against you, you'll find why you need BC. There are two sportive organisers in the UK ATM that have found that out the hard way. 

As for after 9pm ay night, I wonder why BC are happy with Bontrager 24/12 and Mountain Mayhem then?
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Re: British Cycling Strike Again - Helmet Cam Ban for Racing
« Reply #9 on: Mar 26, 2014, 15:15 »
silly question but i keep reading about people claiming? what are they claiming for?  because they have a camera on and crash or something? sorry to sound like and idiot but im a little lost! their must be a very good reason behind this rule??

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Re: British Cycling Strike Again - Helmet Cam Ban for Racing
« Reply #10 on: Mar 26, 2014, 16:15 »
They claim 'cos they crash and believe that someone else is to blame, usually through a lack of duty of care.

To make an deliberately silly example up, racing at 4X and the organiser has used 2 foot steel posts to mark the course. A rider slides out and impales their leg over the metal post.

The rider would then say that it was careless to use a 2foot metal post and that any reasonable risk assessment would have shown that so the organiser has not show a duty of care to the rider.

Real world examples are much more complicated!
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Re: British Cycling Strike Again - Helmet Cam Ban for Racing
« Reply #11 on: Mar 26, 2014, 16:16 »
As for after 9pm ay night, I wonder why BC are happy with Bontrager 24/12 and Mountain Mayhem then?
I don't know are they 100% BC? All I know is what BC told me and other race organisers I know. I was told "To cut BC's insurance overhead we have a 9oclock cut off for Racing, if you can end you event be for then we can help you, if not we can't help you"
So we were forced not to use BC by BC.

 

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Re: British Cycling Strike Again - Helmet Cam Ban for Racing
« Reply #12 on: Mar 26, 2014, 20:30 »
The other organiser being Naked Racing and their Llandegla night enduro I assume.

Anyway, yes, Bontrager 24/12 and Mountain Mayhem are both 100% insured by BC events. 
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Re: British Cycling Strike Again - Helmet Cam Ban for Racing
« Reply #13 on: Mar 27, 2014, 15:05 »
So, if you didn't know, today BC actually announced the real new rules (hastily written yesterday after someone leaked the news of an impending ban to Wide Open). Those rules are basically, you can have cameras in practise, not race/quali runs. You can't have chest cams or bike cams. Headcams must be attached sensibly and you must remove the mount (excluding flat baseplates) for race/quali runs. 
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