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Title: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: PaddyHill on Dec 10, 2013, 11:18
Having attended the SCU date fixing meeting in August to secure a date/venue BUCS have now finally given the ok (at yesterdays SAG meeting)
Date - 15-16th March
Venue - Innerleithen

Hopefully now BUCS will engage with the correct bodies to organise the event.

Having previously organised the BUSA Champs at both Inners and Dunkeld I hope the local Uni clubs will help out with the organisation of the event as they did a brilliant job at those 2 Champs.
I will keep a close eye on progress - I have already spent a complete day of my free time in securing the event back to Scotland for 2014.
Cheers and see you all in March
Paddy
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: Will of Fortune on Dec 10, 2013, 13:17
Great to know a date AND venue before Christmas, hopefully this will give all us clubs a chance to organise transport a little easier. Is this date and venue definitely confirmed or is it just preliminary at this stage?
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: platt55 on Dec 10, 2013, 13:17
Great news to hear it's organised early and we've got a great venue.

Properly looking forward to it now!
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: whitetux on Dec 10, 2013, 13:19
Finally, in Scotland again.

Looking forward to it!
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: ilovedirt99 on Dec 10, 2013, 13:55
Awesome.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: slimeboy on Dec 10, 2013, 14:08
Awesome! So good to have it sorted out.

Is there any chance of a slightly more official-unofficial hardtail category this year?
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: Rich_ on Dec 10, 2013, 16:43
Is this date and venue 100% confirmed then?
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: PaddyHill on Dec 10, 2013, 19:22
Await final confirmation once the necessary FCS paperwork is completed and the event registered with BC. I will keep everybody updated on this forum. 
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: ilovedirt99 on Dec 11, 2013, 17:28
Awesome, thanks again Paddy! Seems like they've gotten their arses in to gear this year.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: PaddyHill on Dec 15, 2013, 07:49
Sorry guys - not Innerleithen - whilst BUCS have had every opportunity to act on this since the end of August another event is now in place at the venue on the 15th March - please note I'm only trying to get things moving and whilst being on  the Sports Advisory Group for cycling it is just that - you either take the advice or not! 

Looking at the calendar the weekend 15-16th March still appears to be an ideal slot for the Champs

So other options for Scotland are:-
Ae Forest - unknow if March 15-16th is free
Dunkeld - is free for that weekend - very technical top section -  'local' to both Dundee and Edinburgh clubs to ease organising 
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: Rich_ on Dec 15, 2013, 12:43
Dunkeld.

http://www.pinkbike.com/video/323171/

would be glorious. the heckling atmosphere in that section would be immense
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Dec 15, 2013, 21:29
another sign of BUCS being incompetent, useless arseholes.

how can an organisation this big, have so many opportunities (since august) to get this sorted and not? something seriously needs to be done.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: DanB25 on Dec 15, 2013, 21:39
How can they be capable of organising weekly games for team sports and yet one event a year for mountain biking is more than they can manage? It's not even like they struggle with external venues for championship sports either, swimming, road cycling and athletics are organised at the start of the year every year, get your acts together you're being payed for this. The excuse of 'oh some students built a fire and we got shouted at a few years ago' is getting old as well.

The last time someone from our Uni complained about them on a public forum they sent a screenshot with a complaint to the President of our Athletic Union, if you're reading this BUCS people, you have better things to be doing with your time.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: ilovedirt99 on Dec 16, 2013, 01:53
How can they be capable of organising weekly games for team sports and yet one event a year for mountain biking is more than they can manage? It's not even like they struggle with external venues for championship sports either, swimming, road cycling and athletics are organised at the start of the year every year, get your acts together you're being payed for this. The excuse of 'oh some students built a fire and we got shouted at a few years ago' is getting old as well.

The last time someone from our Uni complained about them on a public forum they sent a screenshot with a complaint to the President of our Athletic Union, if you're reading this BUCS people, you have better things to be doing with your time.
This. The screenshot was also of a perfectly valid point that the organisers were being completely useless. If you're not happy with people slagging you off for the organisation of your events, then actually do something about it. You cannot complain if the people who are essentially paying your wages are not happy with the quality of service you are providing. End of, no if or buts. Sort it out.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: whitetux on Dec 16, 2013, 14:45
Dunkeld.

http://www.pinkbike.com/video/323171/

would be glorious. the heckling atmosphere in that section would be immense

Being sensible is no fun, but Dunkeld is just not a good idea.

The standard of riding at BUCS is not high with it being the only race most of the entrants do a year, so having inexperienced riders, riding one of the hardest tracks, is just asking for an incredibly high injury rate, which when it gets to the point where there is a large number of injuries, you have to ask, 'is it worth it'? I question whether dunkeld is suitable for an SDA some years with the number of injuries.

Ae Forest would be the most suitable for all levels of rider and the car park is at least at the finish, unlike Dunkeld.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: mlean1994 on Dec 18, 2013, 13:36
Have to agree with Christo, as much as i love dunkeld for the standard of riding it could be a nightmare for injuries and red flags on course. This will really need to be looked at before a final decision on venue is made. Also agree that Ae would be a far more suitable venue for the positioning of the car park and that Ae has facilities such as showers and a bike shop at the venue as well. 
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: macdaddy1994 on Dec 18, 2013, 14:00
Dunkeld.

http://www.pinkbike.com/video/323171/

would be glorious. the heckling atmosphere in that section would be immense

Being sensible is no fun, but Dunkeld is just not a good idea.

The standard of riding at BUCS is not high with it being the only race most of the entrants do a year, so having inexperienced riders, riding one of the hardest tracks, is just asking for an incredibly high injury rate, which when it gets to the point where there is a large number of injuries, you have to ask, 'is it worth it'? I question whether dunkeld is suitable for an SDA some years with the number of injuries.

Ae Forest would be the most suitable for all levels of rider and the car park is at least at the finish, unlike Dunkeld.

Dunkeld is closer to the pubs than ae though. Which is extremely important for students ;)

Dunkeld is far too much fun though and you dont have to be elite to ride it. The only gnar bits are the chutes in the top section.  Ae would be good but on a windy day the top section is unrideable. Inners would be ideal for the technicality of the track, locality to facilities and ease of uplift e.t.c.

Aslong as the date ISNT april and the venue is scottish you should be onto a winner.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: whitetux on Dec 18, 2013, 20:43
I very much disagree with 'Dunkeld is far too much fun though'

Yes, it is a lot of fun, but certainly not worth risking a lot of injuries for. A lot of students are actually poorly skilled riders (remember with the top 100 qualifying and even then, you are really looking at the top half of those for riders who wouldn't find dunkeld a challenge to get down safely).

Ae...yes is effected by wind, but that;s like saying Moelfre shouldn't be raced, but it gets raced 4/5 times a year, so not really much of a point for a short portion of the course.

I just can't bring myself to say Dunkeld is a good idea however fun it could be. It's not like people will say Ae is crap. I mean we did just race at Combe Syd last year, which hardly had technical difficulty and yet a large number of riders did struggle at some points (although hardly a majority), so in my eyes that makes Dunkeld a complete no go.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: Rich_ on Jan 08, 2014, 14:53
Any more news on whether the venue has been confirmed?
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: Will of Fortune on Jan 08, 2014, 15:50
Or even the date. Just having the date confirmed would mean we can book vans for the weekend.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Jan 10, 2014, 13:22
Or even the date. Just having the date confirmed would mean we can book vans for the weekend.
I couldn't agree more with this. how is it, that about a month ago, we pretty much had dates/venue confirmed and ready to and now, as per normal with BUCS we're back at square one with little or no information!
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: Will of Fortune on Jan 12, 2014, 22:45
I have emailed BUCS asking them for a confirmation on the date and complaining about their inability to do this the past few years. Maybe if more of us do this they might get the message that we're not happy.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: [Orge] on Jan 12, 2014, 23:30
I very much disagree with 'Dunkeld is far too much fun though'

Yes, it is a lot of fun, but certainly not worth risking a lot of injuries for. A lot of students are actually poorly skilled riders (remember with the top 100 qualifying and even then, you are really looking at the top half of those for riders who wouldn't find dunkeld a challenge to get down safely).

Ae...yes is effected by wind, but that;s like saying Moelfre shouldn't be raced, but it gets raced 4/5 times a year, so not really much of a point for a short portion of the course.

I just can't bring myself to say Dunkeld is a good idea however fun it could be. It's not like people will say Ae is crap. I mean we did just race at Combe Syd last year, which hardly had technical difficulty and yet a large number of riders did struggle at some points (although hardly a majority), so in my eyes that makes Dunkeld a complete no go.

Dunkeld ran in 2007 as the BUSA Champs and is remembered as one of the best student races ever held, yes it was challenging but everyone involved got down the track (with some notable injuries - it's a downhill race) I'd wager on significantly less serious kit than most riders seem to have these days.

Man up, it'd be a great event.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: whitetux on Jan 13, 2014, 11:48
I very much disagree with 'Dunkeld is far too much fun though'

Yes, it is a lot of fun, but certainly not worth risking a lot of injuries for. A lot of students are actually poorly skilled riders (remember with the top 100 qualifying and even then, you are really looking at the top half of those for riders who wouldn't find dunkeld a challenge to get down safely).

Ae...yes is effected by wind, but that;s like saying Moelfre shouldn't be raced, but it gets raced 4/5 times a year, so not really much of a point for a short portion of the course.

I just can't bring myself to say Dunkeld is a good idea however fun it could be. It's not like people will say Ae is crap. I mean we did just race at Combe Syd last year, which hardly had technical difficulty and yet a large number of riders did struggle at some points (although hardly a majority), so in my eyes that makes Dunkeld a complete no go.

Dunkeld ran in 2007 as the BUSA Champs and is remembered as one of the best student races ever held, yes it was challenging but everyone involved got down the track (with some notable injuries - it's a downhill race) I'd wager on significantly less serious kit than most riders seem to have these days.

Man up, it'd be a great event.

I have no problem with riding Dunkeld and infact would love to race there. My opinion is on the greater student population. With so many more students riding trail bikes (due to their capabilities to cope with more demanding tracks) then it will be much worse as Dunkeld is gonna be pretty harsh for those of lower technical ability. Speaking of my university cycling club, if Dunkeld was to be used, I seriously cannot imagine many of them will want to race the event due to the technical nature of the event. Ae Forest can be just as fun and race worthy, but everyone can be included and the injury rate can be significantly lower. I see no reason to impose unnecessary risk on some of the least experienced racers in the UK (considering many only race BUCS and nothing else). Also, Dunkeld parking is not as good as Ae.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: [Orge] on Jan 13, 2014, 18:09
Yeah I understand your points I'm just saying it ran before, everyone was terrified, half the field were on hardtails let alone modern trail bikes and everyone came away from the weekend loving it. When we got there people were saying it was unrideable and a couple of days later they'd proved themselves wrong. 
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: Rich_ on Jan 13, 2014, 21:21
people were saying it was unrideable and a couple of days later they'd proved themselves wrong.

This. So many people improve massively over a bucs weekend its crazy, the atmosphere plays a massive part in this. They end up riding sections they never thought they could
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Jan 13, 2014, 23:08
people were saying it was unrideable and a couple of days later they'd proved themselves wrong.

This. So many people improve massively over a bucs weekend its crazy, the atmosphere plays a massive part in this. They end up riding sections they never thought they could
that goes exactly for me at Combe Sydenham last year. could never get my line through the steep rock section all weekend, nailed it during the qualifying run (albeit after a crash up top)

Honestly couldn't care less about where it is at the minute, it'd just be great if we could at least get dates so I can go ahead and start organising stuff such as transport, finding out who wants to race etc.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Jan 15, 2014, 13:07
After an angry email to BUCS about the poorly organisation of the last two years competition here is my response. Woohoo
 Hi Sol,
 
 Thanks for your email.
 
 Appearances can be deceptive! To let you know the facts, the delay in
information was not down to poor organisation from BUCS, in fact the
delays in information was due to a convoluted process with the regional
and national governing body to get the events even sanctioned. There
were various political & personal interest reasons for this and at
times it appeared that the regional & national governing bodies
didn’t want the events to happen at all, and the fact that they did, and
 did so successfully was solely down to the hard work and perseverance
of BUCS and its volunteers. We were not pleased with the delay in the
info getting out to our members as it reflects poorly in our
organisation, where we aim to have at least 8 weeks’ notice for each of
the 200+ events that we run. I am pleased to say that these issues seem
to no longer be the case, and that we will be releasing the info in the
next week or so.
 
 As a rough guide, the DH MTB will be taking place in Scotland towards the end of March and the XC MTB will take
place in Dronsfield in early April – as I said detailed confirmation
will be released early next week.
 
 Kind regards

Sol Armer just posted this in our Aber/Bangor varsity organising page... sounding promising!
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: jhowlett on Jan 15, 2014, 13:43
not ideal if there both in the easter holidays, assume our numbers will be low. 
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Jan 15, 2014, 14:32
not ideal if there both in the easter holidays, assume our numbers will be low.
how long are your easter holidays? its on the 20th, I know Bangor break up on the 4th April...
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Jan 23, 2014, 18:27
So they said we'd have news this week, still none, not hoping for much tomorrow.

Paddy, do you have an update?
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: PaddyHill on Jan 24, 2014, 09:01
Update is:-
Awaiting response from FC due today - I submitted the application so it will come direct to me
Awaiting response from Uplift - Chris Roberts is sorting that
Weekend is 22-23rd March






Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: whitetux on Jan 24, 2014, 10:37
In Scotland? Great...just when the SDA is on...
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: PaddyHill on Jan 24, 2014, 11:04
Agree - I won't run against the SDA so looks like its a May/June date
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Jan 24, 2014, 13:50
Agree - I won't run against the SDA so looks like its a May/June date

once again this event is becoming a massive farce... exams will cover pretty much all of May for us at Bangor, so its highly unlikely we'll be taking a big following
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: huckybain on Jan 24, 2014, 15:11
Agree - I won't run against the SDA so looks like its a May/June date

once again this event is becoming a massive farce... exams will cover pretty much all of May for us at Bangor, so its highly unlikely we'll be taking a big following

That's the same at Aberdeen uni and I imagine Robert Gordon's too, the ones that have probably traveled the furthest the last few years. Was excited to have a Bucs without a 1000 mile round trip. Surely Dunkeld and Ae are free in March or April?
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Jan 24, 2014, 17:20
Agree - I won't run against the SDA so looks like its a May/June date

once again this event is becoming a massive farce... exams will cover pretty much all of May for us at Bangor, so its highly unlikely we'll be taking a big following

That's the same at Aberdeen uni and I imagine Robert Gordon's too, the ones that have probably traveled the furthest the last few years. Was excited to have a Bucs without a 1000 mile round trip. Surely Dunkeld and Ae are free in March or April?
look in the roots and rain website, the weekend before this is free...
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: Rich_ on Jan 24, 2014, 20:19
Agree - I won't run against the SDA so looks like its a May/June date

Wait so hang on this morning you confirmed the dh was 22/23 march and now you are saying its in may/june?

I had bought flights back to uk for a long weekend around the 16th when it was first announced, was gonna surprise my mates and enjoy a last bucs with a lot them before they graduate as its an unforgettable atmosphere and a good laugh, then I was just about to change them to 22/23 march before I read this post. I don't think im going to bother anymore as its bound just to get changed again. What an absolute joke bucs organisation continues to be... total f**king waste of money! Lets hope this BUDS fb page gets more interest and becomes something proper as this is just ridiculous!
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: whitetux on Jan 25, 2014, 09:40
Probably just wouldn't work, but could it be implemented into the SDA if they wanted it? They are struggling for entrants as it is, so would be a good boost to their series, just have BUCS entrants as a seperate category or something?

Something like this, would make it easier every year instead of the usual.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Jan 25, 2014, 10:16
Probably just wouldn't work, but could it be implemented into the SDA if they wanted it? They are struggling for entrants as it is, so would be a good boost to their series, just have BUCS entrants as a seperate category or something?

Something like this, would make it easier every year instead of the usual.
Its a good idea but, I doubt it would work.

As it is, BUCS itself is a massive event with waiting times for uplifts taking quite some time. Combining it with another event and creating even more categories isn't going to help matters.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: whitetux on Jan 25, 2014, 17:12
It's worth looking into? I mean, the SDA is struggling for entrants, so I think would welcome the extra riders and then BUCS would get it's race on a suitable weekend at a race that is going to run smoothly
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: huckybain on Jan 26, 2014, 01:22
It's worth looking into? I mean, the SDA is struggling for entrants, so I think would welcome the extra riders and then BUCS would get it's race on a suitable weekend at a race that is going to run smoothly

The SDA doesn't usually struggle for innerleithen though and have had well over 200 entrants there each race, which is the reason they are using it twice this year. So couple that with another 200+ from bucs and I think it would get a bit over crowded.
Not saying this to shoot you down, just don't think it would work too well. Bucs could ask the SDA how to run a race though...
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Jan 26, 2014, 14:45
It's worth looking into? I mean, the SDA is struggling for entrants, so I think would welcome the extra riders and then BUCS would get it's race on a suitable weekend at a race that is going to run smoothly

The SDA doesn't usually struggle for innerleithen though and have had well over 200 entrants there each race, which is the reason they are using it twice this year. So couple that with another 200+ from bucs and I think it would get a bit over crowded.
Not saying this to shoot you down, just don't think it would work too well. Bucs could ask the SDA how to run a race though...

BUCS could ask my 12 year old brother how to run a race...
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: Rich_ on Jan 26, 2014, 17:50
Whats wrong with the weekend before the first SDA (15/16 March)? 
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: whitetux on Jan 26, 2014, 22:45
It's worth looking into? I mean, the SDA is struggling for entrants, so I think would welcome the extra riders and then BUCS would get it's race on a suitable weekend at a race that is going to run smoothly

The SDA doesn't usually struggle for innerleithen though and have had well over 200 entrants there each race, which is the reason they are using it twice this year. So couple that with another 200+ from bucs and I think it would get a bit over crowded.
Not saying this to shoot you down, just don't think it would work too well. Bucs could ask the SDA how to run a race though...

If you look at the number entrants for inners sda so far though... you'd realise my point.

Either way. This is all taking the piss, and needs to be sorted somehow.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: huckybain on Jan 27, 2014, 20:24

If you look at the number entrants for inners sda so far though... you'd realise my point.

Either way. This is all taking the piss, and needs to be sorted somehow.

Ah fair point, there isn't many entered at the moment. Hope it doesn't stay that way!

I thought it was going to be 3rd time lucky, but not looking so much like that now.
Only waiting for the "BUCS will be held next weekend in Morzine" announcement now
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Jan 31, 2014, 14:13
Any news on this yet?! It's been another week and no updates.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: mlean1994 on Feb 02, 2014, 16:06
Can't believe this still hasn't been sorted...
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: davecamus on Feb 03, 2014, 18:54
I can....
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: platt55 on Feb 04, 2014, 12:22
Any updates Paddy? Or a date that we can expect an update?
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: PaddyHill on Feb 05, 2014, 18:50
I have tried to get the Champs up and running for Dunkeld for the 15-16th March (FC permission has been granted- camping sorted ) but being unable to secure uplift means that this will now not be possible - both Dundee and Edinburgh Uni's were both willing to help out as well just to make this happen.
Next step is now to discuss with Chris Roberts an alternative date and possible venue - again I will push to make this happen in Scotland. 
Although BUCS have given reasons for how this situation has arisen I could perhaps detail a more accurate line of events - what they detail was perhaps relevant a few years ago - but rather than dwell on what's not be done and the hours that I have spent already on this lets move on. 
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Feb 10, 2014, 18:07
So after 7 messages unrelieved (4 emails and 3 Facebook messages) I finally received this just now:

'Hi Kev,

We are aware that clubs need this information as soon as possible and
once confirmed we will use all the usual BUCS media channels to
publicise the event. There will be a minimum of 8 weeks notice.

Thanks.'

So this takes us to at least the first weekend in April, which is (for Bangor) the start of the easter break. any later than this and we're pretty much straight in to exams when we get back.

Absolute joke of on 'organisation' (If you can actually call it that.)
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: [Orge] on Feb 12, 2014, 10:16
Once again - thanks to Paddy for taking the time to put the up to date information on this board. Awesome to see you were gunning for it to be at Dunkeld again, that would have been excellent. A shame it didn't work out.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Feb 13, 2014, 15:06
Once again - thanks to Paddy for taking the time to put the up to date information on this board. Awesome to see you were gunning for it to be at Dunkeld again, that would have been excellent. A shame it didn't work out.
don't get me wrong, I think Paddy does an excellent job. Its just a shame BUCS don't have the willingness/competency to match.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: slimeboy on Feb 13, 2014, 18:14
You are such an angry child.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: platt55 on Feb 20, 2014, 12:55
Once again - thanks to Paddy for taking the time to put the up to date information on this board. Awesome to see you were gunning for it to be at Dunkeld again, that would have been excellent. A shame it didn't work out.
don't get me wrong, I think Paddy does an excellent job. Its just a shame BUCS don't have the willingness/competency to match.

Well said.

Whilst we all appreciate the work Paddy does for this event, if there is going to be an 8 week notice period then something needs to be announced sharpish (even if it is just the date). It will already be dangerously close to exams.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: Will of Fortune on Feb 20, 2014, 17:19
Maybe a little post on the main BUCS facebook page in view of the public might offer up some kind of useful response? 
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Feb 21, 2014, 00:45
Maybe a little post on the main BUCS facebook page in view of the public might offer up some kind of useful response?
tried that, they usually get ignored, they're also not too good with replying to facebook messages and emails. I think they have to accept the post for it to be published (the last posts from other peopler were back in October.)
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: laza10 on Feb 26, 2014, 10:07
Anymore news? The original date is fast approaching and I can see us bring in the same situation as Rheola BUCS and the date and venue changing a week before the original date....
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Mar 02, 2014, 21:59
another 1/2 week goes by with no update once again?
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: macdaddy1994 on Mar 03, 2014, 10:38
another 1/2 week goes by with no update once again?

Stop moaning if he has any news we will here about it here first, until then just accept that we are not one of BUCS priorities and that if you want to continue moaning BUCS have their own inbox for that.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: DanB25 on Mar 12, 2014, 13:14
Stop moaning if he has any news we will here about it here first, until then just accept that we are not one of BUCS priorities and that if you want to continue moaning BUCS have their own inbox for that.

You have a point that we are not a priority for BUCS, however that doesn't mean we should just sit back and accept this attitude from them.

I help out with our BUCS Wednesday matches at Bangor, couple of weeks back we had a handful of games cancelled due to weather, every single one was reorganised for the weekend or the following week. It's not that they don't have the manpower or time, they just don't care about Mountain Biking enough to set up our two events.

Our Athletic Union President is on the North West BUCS committee, I will talk to her this week about what this may or may not allow her to do about this.

Otherwise I think we need to set up a petition to let BUCS know how utterly disappointed we are in them and ask them politely to get their s**t together next year. I will happily lead on this, unless there is someone willing with more BUCS MTB specific knowledge than me. Every year it boils down to the same excuse that some people made a fire and upset BC years ago and it just isn't good enough, they are a huge organisation and can do better than this.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: Will of Fortune on Mar 13, 2014, 12:19
I totally agree, if they are indeed going to give us 8 weeks notice this is getting very close to exam period and is going to be in the middle of when most our coursework is due in. Something definitely needs to be done to let them know we are not happy and things need to be improved.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: platt55 on Mar 13, 2014, 12:48
I also agree. 8 weeks takes you right to the start of exams. No-ones going to turn up if its in exam period so what are they going to do? Have it after exam period?

Either way, the last 3 years I've been a student have all been crap organisation in the run up to the event. I hope they get their act together soon otherwise I think we need to do something about it.

Unofficial races anyone?
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Mar 13, 2014, 14:19
I also agree. 8 weeks takes you right to the start of exams. No-ones going to turn up if its in exam period so what are they going to do? Have it after exam period?

Either way, the last 3 years I've been a student have all been crap organisation in the run up to the event. I hope they get their act together soon otherwise I think we need to do something about it.

Unofficial races anyone?
the most annoying part is, when it comes down to it, they can actually put on a half decent event, I thought Combe Sydenham was a great event for all involved. At the minute, I'd rather not have 8 weeks notice and have to hurriedly organise transport end entries for a date that was around a month away. Like Will said, 8 weeks takes me personally right up to a lot of deadlines and bordering on exams.

saying that 8 weeks this weekend is the actual start of exams for Bangor.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: jhowlett on Mar 13, 2014, 20:11
newcastle exams start in 8 weeks as well so its unlikely we will have anyone attending. last years event was great, just needs to be organised better 
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: laza10 on Mar 14, 2014, 00:22
8 weeks takes portsmouth near enough to the start of exams... 

what ever happened to the race series someone tried to set up? there was something on facebook but not heard anything for a while... think it was called BUDS (not the skiing comp).
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: platt55 on Mar 14, 2014, 08:22
the most annoying part is, when it comes down to it, they can actually put on a half decent event, I thought Combe Sydenham was a great event for all involved. At the minute, I'd rather not have 8 weeks notice and have to hurriedly organise transport end entries for a date that was around a month away. Like Will said, 8 weeks takes me personally right up to a lot of deadlines and bordering on exams.

saying that 8 weeks this weekend is the actual start of exams for Bangor.

Don't get me wrong, I love the event just as much as everyone else. Both Rheola and Combe Sydenham were great but the lack of organisation beforehand detracts from it because it's never easy to organise ourselves for it!

8 weeks takes portsmouth near enough to the start of exams...

what ever happened to the race series someone tried to set up? there was something on facebook but not heard anything for a while... think it was called BUDS (not the skiing comp).

As far as I remember they needed around 2000 people on the page to get it started up. Last time I looked I think it was around 1000-1200.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Mar 14, 2014, 16:15
the most annoying part is, when it comes down to it, they can actually put on a half decent event, I thought Combe Sydenham was a great event for all involved. At the minute, I'd rather not have 8 weeks notice and have to hurriedly organise transport end entries for a date that was around a month away. Like Will said, 8 weeks takes me personally right up to a lot of deadlines and bordering on exams.

saying that 8 weeks this weekend is the actual start of exams for Bangor.

Don't get me wrong, I love the event just as much as everyone else. Both Rheola and Combe Sydenham were great but the lack of organisation beforehand detracts from it because it's never easy to organise ourselves for it!

8 weeks takes portsmouth near enough to the start of exams...

what ever happened to the race series someone tried to set up? there was something on facebook but not heard anything for a while... think it was called BUDS (not the skiing comp).

As far as I remember they needed around 2000 people on the page to get it started up. Last time I looked I think it was around 1000-1200.
Its at like 1200 people now, realistically BUCS draws in what, 300-400 riders per year? they're going to struggle getting 2000 likes. That said, having spoke to Aidan (organiser) briefly I would love to see it get off the ground!
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: benmc8 on Mar 17, 2014, 09:27
To be honest Im starting to lose hope that its actually even going to go ahead.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: ilovedirt99 on Mar 19, 2014, 14:23
To be honest Im starting to lose hope that its actually even going to go ahead.
Ditto.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: macdaddy1994 on Mar 20, 2014, 12:05
Stop moaning if he has any news we will here about it here first, until then just accept that we are not one of BUCS priorities and that if you want to continue moaning BUCS have their own inbox for that.

You have a point that we are not a priority for BUCS, however that doesn't mean we should just sit back and accept this attitude from them.

I help out with our BUCS Wednesday matches at Bangor, couple of weeks back we had a handful of games cancelled due to weather, every single one was reorganised for the weekend or the following week. It's not that they don't have the manpower or time, they just don't care about Mountain Biking enough to set up our two events.

Our Athletic Union President is on the North West BUCS committee, I will talk to her this week about what this may or may not allow her to do about this.

Otherwise I think we need to set up a petition to let BUCS know how utterly disappointed we are in them and ask them politely to get their s**t together next year. I will happily lead on this, unless there is someone willing with more BUCS MTB specific knowledge than me. Every year it boils down to the same excuse that some people made a fire and upset BC years ago and it just isn't good enough, they are a huge organisation and can do better than this.

Yeah exactly, BUCS have their own inbox for that. This thread is for paddy to give us information on the event, not moan about something thats out of his hands. Hes already said he had the event setup but BUCS couldnt secure uplift.

I obviously agree that its rubbish bucs havent sorted something yet, but knowing they wont be looking here id rather save my breath and email/phone them directly rather than moaning through the rep paddy.

Just my 2C.  I really wish they could have secured the race at dunkeld but now im happy to accept any date in april at any venue rather than a scottish venue.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: ilovedirt99 on Mar 20, 2014, 13:02
Stop moaning if he has any news we will here about it here first, until then just accept that we are not one of BUCS priorities and that if you want to continue moaning BUCS have their own inbox for that.

You have a point that we are not a priority for BUCS, however that doesn't mean we should just sit back and accept this attitude from them.

I help out with our BUCS Wednesday matches at Bangor, couple of weeks back we had a handful of games cancelled due to weather, every single one was reorganised for the weekend or the following week. It's not that they don't have the manpower or time, they just don't care about Mountain Biking enough to set up our two events.

Our Athletic Union President is on the North West BUCS committee, I will talk to her this week about what this may or may not allow her to do about this.

Otherwise I think we need to set up a petition to let BUCS know how utterly disappointed we are in them and ask them politely to get their s**t together next year. I will happily lead on this, unless there is someone willing with more BUCS MTB specific knowledge than me. Every year it boils down to the same excuse that some people made a fire and upset BC years ago and it just isn't good enough, they are a huge organisation and can do better than this.

Yeah exactly, BUCS have their own inbox for that. This thread is for paddy to give us information on the event, not moan about something thats out of his hands. Hes already said he had the event setup but BUCS couldnt secure uplift.

I obviously agree that its rubbish bucs havent sorted something yet, but knowing they wont be looking here id rather save my breath and email/phone them directly rather than moaning through the rep paddy.

Just my 2C.  I really wish they could have secured the race at dunkeld but now im happy to accept any date in april at any venue rather than a scottish venue.
They do look here, but they clearly don't value our opinions enough to actually bother taking anything on board unless it happens to upset them (for instance the fact that they are completely useless).
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Mar 21, 2014, 12:45
Stop moaning if he has any news we will here about it here first, until then just accept that we are not one of BUCS priorities and that if you want to continue moaning BUCS have their own inbox for that.

You have a point that we are not a priority for BUCS, however that doesn't mean we should just sit back and accept this attitude from them.

I help out with our BUCS Wednesday matches at Bangor, couple of weeks back we had a handful of games cancelled due to weather, every single one was reorganised for the weekend or the following week. It's not that they don't have the manpower or time, they just don't care about Mountain Biking enough to set up our two events.

Our Athletic Union President is on the North West BUCS committee, I will talk to her this week about what this may or may not allow her to do about this.

Otherwise I think we need to set up a petition to let BUCS know how utterly disappointed we are in them and ask them politely to get their s**t together next year. I will happily lead on this, unless there is someone willing with more BUCS MTB specific knowledge than me. Every year it boils down to the same excuse that some people made a fire and upset BC years ago and it just isn't good enough, they are a huge organisation and can do better than this.

Yeah exactly, BUCS have their own inbox for that. This thread is for paddy to give us information on the event, not moan about something thats out of his hands. Hes already said he had the event setup but BUCS couldnt secure uplift.

I obviously agree that its rubbish bucs havent sorted something yet, but knowing they wont be looking here id rather save my breath and email/phone them directly rather than moaning through the rep paddy.

Just my 2C.  I really wish they could have secured the race at dunkeld but now im happy to accept any date in april at any venue rather than a scottish venue.
They do look here, but they clearly don't value our opinions enough to actually bother taking anything on board unless it happens to upset them (for instance the fact that they are completely useless).
Yeah, they definitely do see what gets posted on this thread. I think it was before Combe Sydenham last year one of our guys made a comment about BUCS being useless (wasn't exactly lying was he?) and they sent a screenshot of it to our AU president.

I'm holding little hope of it being in term time but I hope they can at least sort something out for us!
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: DanB25 on Mar 21, 2014, 13:16
Yeah exactly, BUCS have their own inbox for that. This thread is for paddy to give us information on the event, not moan about something thats out of his hands. Hes already said he had the event setup but BUCS couldnt secure uplift.

I obviously agree that its rubbish bucs havent sorted something yet, but knowing they wont be looking here id rather save my breath and email/phone them directly rather than moaning through the rep paddy.

Just my 2C.  I really wish they could have secured the race at dunkeld but now im happy to accept any date in april at any venue rather than a scottish venue.

This thread isn't a whinge at Paddy, he's made it clear it's out of his hands earlier, this is our opportunity to get together and say something.

Does anybody have a direct contact for Paddy? I'd like to get in touch with him and hear what he has to say about us as club captains/committees going directly to BUCS and demanding that next year they get their s**t together and give us the treatment that as far as I am aware every single other BUCS sport gets. My point being that they won't listen to us individually, so we need to go to them as a group.

EDIT: As I know only a few people use this forum, I've set up a Facebook group for communication: https://www.facebook.com/groups/282164911942042/ please add any club/MTB captains you know
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: The Bolt on Mar 27, 2014, 15:51
do you still not know where this is and when?
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Mar 27, 2014, 18:31
do you still not know where this is and when?
To put it simply, we know absolutely bugger all.

No country (they've hinted at it definitely almost possibly being in Scotland)
No Venue
No dates
No nothin'
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: AlexKeane on Mar 28, 2014, 12:11
BUCS giving us plenty of notice, as per.

BUCS Downhill 2014 Champs
Entries will open today. Venue Caersws. Dates 18th-19th April.

http://www.bucs.org.uk/calendar_popup.asp?itemid=14284&surround=true
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: laza10 on Mar 28, 2014, 12:20
brilliant, they really need to get their bloody act together next year!
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: PaddyHill on Mar 28, 2014, 12:27
Perhaps not ideal but no other options were available - I promise that things will be different next year having already spent considerable time on this.
See you at Caersws - and take note of the new regulation re helmet cameras!
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: AlexKeane on Mar 28, 2014, 12:45
As has been said before, thank you for all the effort sorting this out - just a shame that everything appears to go to s**t once BUCS get involved!

On a slightly different note, have you been speaking to the guys getting BUDS sorted? I think there's a lot of support for moving away from BUCS (from the outside it appears that everything would be much easier to organise if BUCS weren't involved) and I can't see the universities caring enough about BUCS DH for it to have any significant effect on club funding from our end 
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: 3lfd3wd on Mar 28, 2014, 13:12
This is great, I was considering it dead in the water, so to have it announced at a good venue and a good date is brilliant. Now, to scramble on entries! Someone on facebook asked about alumnis 'still being allowed to enter', did I miss something here? Can they this year, or is that just a rumour?
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: platt55 on Mar 28, 2014, 13:30
Great that it's finally sorted. Thanks to Paddy for your work on it and hopefully it will be easier and quicker in terms of organisation next year as you say.

Hopefully BUDS gets enough support to get rolling so that maybe we can move away from BUCS though.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: PaddyHill on Mar 28, 2014, 13:50
Will check on Alumni entries - thanks to Chris Roberts also who has spent many a hour. Together we have every intention to get the date and venue sorted in Sept for 2015. I could detail the complete story but all I can say is that BUCS had all the information required on 31st August 2013 to progress and secure a venue and date for this year.
BUDS - good luck with this - what would really help would be a core of trained officials to cover this series. One major problem for BC is the lack of officials and thus at times restricts securing dates and venues. If there is any interest in this I can get BC to put on a course and a central location. Just contact me via this or facebook page.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: ilovedirt99 on Mar 28, 2014, 13:59
Will check on Alumni entries - thanks to Chris Roberts also who has spent many a hour. Together we have every intention to get the date and venue sorted in Sept for 2015. I could detail the complete story but all I can say is that BUCS had all the information required on 31st August 2013 to progress and secure a venue and date for this year.
Thanks for all the hard work Paddy, it's definitely appreciated. I think it's safe to say that without guys like you and chris that know what they're doing, DH BUCS just wouldn't happen.
I think it would be great if we could get BUDS off the ground. Personally I don't think BUCS deserve our money. If it wasn't such a great event for the university mtb club (and probably my last one), I wouldn't bother going.
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: miki on Mar 28, 2014, 14:43
Cheers Paddy. Any word on xc BUCS? I imagine it'll be Dronfield again, but no official word yet. I can't ride the DH because I'm back home for Easter unfortunately (not based on the mainland).
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: PaddyHill on Mar 28, 2014, 14:59
BUCS XC 7th June Birchall - as against SAG Cycling meeting at BUCS in December which outlined 6th April as a good date. The XC is actually one event at risk of being removed from the BUCS calendar BUT I would consider we have enough of an argument about how BUCS have handled fixing a date and venue to avoid that situation. Will be in discussion with Chris R for combined event next year!
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: ilovedirt99 on Mar 28, 2014, 18:41
A combined event again would be ace! They used to be so much better like that!
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: kev-roberts on Mar 28, 2014, 18:44
A combined event again would be ace! They used to be so much better like that!
agreed, if its a combined event then you have to get Alumni involved, I felt like I've missed out on those!
Title: Re: BUCS DH Champs 2014
Post by: iainc92 on Mar 30, 2014, 19:13
Will we see any freshly cut sections like last year? The guys did an awesome job opening up loads of new lines at Combe!