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Re: Leogang live timing
« Reply #45 on: Jun 12, 2011, 20:10 »
I know Gwinn is an incredible talent and it obviously massively commited but is someone at the UCI giving him a 5 second start or something? I simply don't believe there's 5 seconds to be had over the like of Gee or Minaar in the first minute of riding.

I'm really not sure I'm serious in this I'm incredibly impressed if he's doing this for real - would just go to show how complacent the long term DH racers have become over the last few years but something about it just doesn't sit right.

Can freecaster do a back to back vs timelapse over the run against Gee see where he's making up the time? Would be amazing to watch.

Sorry if this makes me sound like a conspiracy theorist.  ::)

From what people have said he was actually 1.7 up at the first split and then 2-3 seconds at the second. Not sure why it came up as 5 on screen.
At the time it did seem odd to be that far ahead then drop back to 2 seconds at the second split.

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Re: Leogang live timing
« Reply #46 on: Jun 12, 2011, 20:24 »
I think the timing on the freecaster feed is a bit out (based on their cameras, rather than the actual timer maybe), but apparently it was more like 1.4 sec.

I agree, five seconds + is a f**k load of time to put in over such a short period on a basic section of track. He was riding minions, not spikes though.

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Re: Leogang live timing
« Reply #47 on: Jun 12, 2011, 20:27 »
Wasn't Gee riding spikes when he won the worlds? Don't think there's that much time in the tyre choice.

1.7 sounds more believable.

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Re: Leogang live timing
« Reply #48 on: Jun 12, 2011, 20:41 »
Wasn't Gee riding spikes when he won the worlds? Don't think there's that much time in the tyre choice.

1.7 sounds more believable.

Yeah but there's next to no pedaling at Val Di Sole, if any, and it's steep. So rolling resistance wasn't as much as a factor as it was today.

At Leogang though Dry tyres would have given you a good advantage over the long flattish sections, and that's what Gwin went with and it paid off.

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Re: Leogang live timing
« Reply #49 on: Jun 12, 2011, 20:59 »
I know Gwinn is an incredible talent and it obviously massively commited but is someone at the UCI giving him a 5 second start or something? I simply don't believe there's 5 seconds to be had over the like of Gee or Minaar in the first minute of riding.

I'm really not sure I'm serious in this I'm incredibly impressed if he's doing this for real - would just go to show how complacent the long term DH racers have become over the last few years but something about it just doesn't sit right.

Can freecaster do a back to back vs timelapse over the run against Gee see where he's making up the time? Would be amazing to watch.

Sorry if this makes me sound like a conspiracy theorist.  ::)

From what people have said he was actually 1.7 up at the first split and then 2-3 seconds at the second. Not sure why it came up as 5 on screen.
At the time it did seem odd to be that far ahead then drop back to 2 seconds at the second split.

Yeah, thats what the time actually said.  You can see the results and splits here:
http://www.southerndownhill.com/racing/reports/wc-leogang-downhill-mens-results.html
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Re: Leogang live timing
« Reply #50 on: Jun 12, 2011, 21:01 »
I think the split they showed was Fwin --> Greg instead of Gwin --> Gee.
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Re: Leogang live timing
« Reply #51 on: Jun 12, 2011, 22:43 »
He has certainly improved a - suspiciously  :-\ - large amount since last year.   Other top-class cyclists that have show such a fast rate of improvement on track and road over the  years have been known to nibble the odd "remedy"....

Thoughts?
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Re: Leogang live timing
« Reply #52 on: Jun 12, 2011, 22:55 »
Gwin was shown as being 4.7 seconds up on split one.  The current hot seat (from our point of view) was Gee.  But Gee would actually have still been on track* at this point, so Gwin's time was compared to GREG's top split, not Gee's.

* gee's run ~3min45.  Gap between riders 2min30.  Gwin was 1min10 into his run, so he went through the first split just before Gee had crossed the line.
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Re: Leogang live timing
« Reply #53 on: Jun 12, 2011, 22:59 »
He has certainly improved a - suspiciously  :-\ - large amount since last year.   Other top-class cyclists that have show such a fast rate of improvement on track and road over the  years have been known to nibble the odd "remedy"....

His first ever WC he placed 10th, 2 years later he's winning by a second or 2. It's not massively suspicious!
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Re: Leogang live timing
« Reply #54 on: Jun 12, 2011, 23:19 »
Agreed, but the rate of change is pretty impressive. 
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Re: Leogang live timing
« Reply #55 on: Jun 12, 2011, 23:22 »
He's been riding bmx since 4 and racing mx since 12 so he was pretty accustomed to two wheeled racing before moving over to DH.

As well as training with Tomac over the winter he's had help from Ryan Hughes, an AMA and FIM pro mxer who specialises in training now. Watch below;

Ryan Hughes - Twisted 7/Honda training day from WFO Media on Vimeo.


Combine that with the support of Trek and that's a pretty amazing programme to have behind you entering the season. He's taking it seriously and it's paying off.
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Re: Leogang live timing
« Reply #56 on: Jun 12, 2011, 23:32 »
crazy how Gwin and Beaumont were joint first on the speed trap! both at 53.027kph :O
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Re: Leogang live timing
« Reply #57 on: Jun 13, 2011, 10:05 »
He's been riding bmx since 4 and racing mx since 12 so he was pretty accustomed to two wheeled racing before moving over to DH.

As well as training with Tomac over the winter he's had help from Ryan Hughes, an AMA and FIM pro mxer who specialises in training now. Watch below;

http://vimeo.com/6772830

Combine that with the support of Trek and that's a pretty amazing programme to have behind you entering the season. He's taking it seriously and it's paying off.


Yes, good point. Fair pay to him, stunning ride.
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Re: Leogang live timing
« Reply #58 on: Jun 13, 2011, 14:33 »
He has certainly improved a - suspiciously  :-\ - large amount since last year.   Other top-class cyclists that have show such a fast rate of improvement on track and road over the  years have been known to nibble the odd "remedy"....

Thoughts?

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And considering he was on plenty of podiums last year, his results haven't really changed all that much when you look past the hype.
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Re: Leogang live timing
« Reply #59 on: Jun 13, 2011, 15:46 »
Interesting - Sam Dale on a TR450 instead of his Radical?

Saw this too - frame issues?


Snapped frames is the issue (rumor) going around the races.

Really good to see the results getting mixed up this year, and a stormer for CG with easily the most style on 2 wheels!



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